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I came across this very inyteresting blog/post

Why is it that both men and women expect transwen to be ultra feminine?

 

Also there is this untold truth, most men who date tgirls, will only publicly date a 100% passable girl. However they expect them to be hung and active.

 

Men should know that very rarely a totally passable ts will be fully functional or hung, this is because having hormone replace therapy at a early age to avoid secondary male characteristics also

Means her sexual organs will not fully develop.

 

On the other extreme those who dont take HRT, will develop those masculine features, some of which surgery cannot remove.

 

In fact, there is a bit of a double standard when it comes to what some men expect of trans women versus born-women. When some men learn a woman transitioned, they look hard “to expose” any masculine features she might have — and point it out. But if a born-woman has some masculine features — and many do — few if any guys would dare say anything to her about it or point it out to his buddies.

 

 

 

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I totally agree with you on this one, miss! I have met many so-called heterosexual men who wanted me to be active. Unfortunately, that is not my cup of tea! On the other hand, I have also met real heterosexual men who were sure of their sexuality and had absolutely no issue with my sexual identity - this is exactly what I am looking for in a man!

 

And yes, it is true that very few men are truly willing to date a tgirl in public. Is it shame? Is it fear that they might be labeled as gay (a total misconception, but whatever)? I don't know, but I sure want my future man to be brave enough to take me out to dinner, to the opera, to the movies or whatever!

 

Despite the fact that I am totally passable, men are still reluctant to do the things they would normally do with a genetic woman. I am still struggling to understand why.

 

Keep up the good work and the quality posts!

 

I wish you all the best,

 

Alessandra.

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I believe that men mostly. Struggle with social acceptance, and fear been labeled as non heterosexual. At this point it so clear that ts who date men arent gay.

 

Also they struggle with something we struggle with, this something is what fuels tswomen to be above average when it comes to looks and sex appeal.

 

Ts women put more effort in looking as feminine as possible, and behave more sexually

Desirable.

 

Just because you are ts, doesnt mean everyone can see it!

Just because you know she is ts, doesnt mean everyone knows

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Transformation from male to female completely is not the easiest thing on earth.

I truly respect and appreciate all the hard work some ts girls & professionals that have to do & endure just to be in the best presentable, passable and gorgeous way to meet us.

 

Yet, some ts girls just are still "hung" mentally on being male in their hygiene, including B.O. And body hair.

Either male or female or she-male, care and grooming are essentials of this brand of service...

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Well i have to admit dating a ts in public for the first time was scary, but just act normal and nobody will look at you twice. So i have no more reservation about beeing seen/dating in public with a ts. And i hope to get the oppertunity again.

 

As to the beeing ultra feminine, passable, hung and active, yes please!... but seriously i know that girls have different preferences, and functionality differs alot from girl to girl. Just understand that there are men that enjoy reciving but don't find men attractive.... so options are ts og gg with strapon. As for the hung part, i don't find that to be important. Well as a fantasy sure, but how many men are above average? So the amount of ts that claim to be hung... hmm. the bigger the more potential for some serious pain...

 

And as to beeing passable, well it is hard to say imo, and other people rearly come that close in public that they are able to study in great detail, but i find that most girls do their best to look their best at all times... so if people would lable me as gay for dating a ts then so be it, it won't affect my sleep.

 

But to agree with the beautiful Missy Gorgeous, yes there are alot of double standards out there, when it comes to ts's. And as you say there are gg's with masculine traits, so what is the big deal if a ts has those kind of traits.

 

Just the observations of a man that is slightly more aware then others that fantasy is not always reality when it comes to ts's.

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Well i have to admit dating a ts in public for the first time was scary, but just act normal and nobody will look at you twice. So i have no more reservation about beeing seen/dating in public with a ts. And i hope to get the oppertunity again.

 

As to the beeing ultra feminine, passable, hung and active, yes please!... but seriously i know that girls have different preferences, and functionality differs alot from girl to girl. Just understand that there are men that enjoy reciving but don't find men attractive.... so options are ts og gg with strapon. As for the hung part, i don't find that to be important. Well as a fantasy sure, but how many men are above average? So the amount of ts that claim to be hung... hmm. the bigger the more potential for some serious pain...

 

And as to beeing passable, well it is hard to say imo, and other people rearly come that close in public that they are able to study in great detail, but i find that most girls do their best to look their best at all times... so if people would lable me as gay for dating a ts then so be it, it won't affect my sleep.

 

But to agree with the beautiful Missy Gorgeous, yes there are alot of double standards out there, when it comes to ts's. And as you say there are gg's with masculine traits, so what is the big deal if a ts has those kind of traits.

 

Just the observations of a man that is slightly more aware then others that fantasy is not always reality when it comes to ts's.

Interesting opinion of you mate wink.gif I agree with you

 

I just wanted to tell you that there are only a few ts-girls outside who cannot be recognized from other people about their natural gender identity.

 

One of them for sure is Missy Gorgeous, because her genes are extremely enviable i guess so wink.gif and the big point is that even she is more hung and active in sex she looks ultra feminine.

 

So for example if you had a public date with a girl like Missy you have to know that most of people look at you, because your dating girl is awesome and not because she looks like a ts-girl. And if i was dating outside with a girl like Missy, half of people look at us, because i am so fucking hot!! hahahahahahaha!!! tongue.gif I am just kidding man! wink.gif

 

I would never meet a ts-girl if she was just passive and not active at all. I prefer versatile or more active girls, because a feminine appearance and attitude including an active sexual orientation is the best and magic combination smile.gif

 

Also about heterosexuality, homosexuality and bi-sexuality:

A man who looks for active girls is not a gay neither a bi-sexual. Why? Because he will never have sex with a man and thats whyi sleep so comfortably every night, cause i never feeled insecured or worried about my sexual identity, cause guys exist for me only to be my best friends and nothing more tongue.gif

 

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I came across this very inyteresting blog/post

Why is it that both men and women expect transwen to be ultra feminine?

 

Also there is this untold truth, most men who date tgirls, will only publicly date a 100% passable girl. However they expect them to be hung and active.

 

Men should know that very rarely a totally passable ts will be fully functional or hung, this is because having hormone replace therapy at a early age to avoid secondary male characteristics also

Means her sexual organs will not fully develop.

 

On the other extreme those who dont take HRT, will develop those masculine features, some of which surgery cannot remove.

 

In fact, there is a bit of a double standard when it comes to what some men expect of trans women versus born-women. When some men learn a woman transitioned, they look hard “to expose” any masculine features she might have — and point it out. But if a born-woman has some masculine features — and many do — few if any guys would dare say anything to her about it or point it out to his buddies.

Agree. Although I am very passable, look and sound just like a woman because i transition at a young age it upsets me how some guys bad mouth on non-passable tgirls. Some men their primary focus is (what is masculine about her) when it comes to TS. They like to point out her flaws on masculinity and distinguish her personality and physical appearance on what is feminine and masculine. But if its a genetic woman having masculine features its okay because she's genetic. Personality, i think for men might be their own insecurities and women like to think ( no men can look like a woman) its insecurities.

 

If men are looking for functionality, a big load of cum and a TOP than their best bet would a passable TV or CD not a VERY feminine passable t-girl. Passable girls need hormones forever lol

 

There should be a name for t-lovers with lbgt community so they have some where to fit in the room.

 

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This is a fascinating post as it shows just how varied sexual attractiveness can be for everyone.

 

I personally find femininity attractive.

I admit to myself when I see someone i think is sexually attractive, but then i'm comfortable with my sexuality. If that person is a lady or a feminine man then so be it.

 

I think a lot of problems come from the categorisation and expectation of people to fit one sexuality or another.

 

My best self description would be ' primarily straight with top tendancies for TS girls' - try finding a tick box for that on any official form!!

 

Its a shame that many men are not confident enough to admit what they find sexually attractive even to themselves let alone anyone else. Hence the inability of some to want to be seen with a TS.

This is why i have a great respect for those who have faced this and come out the other side.

 

 

personally i think 'if i find you attractive then fuck what the rest of the world thinks and take my arm and walk with me' biggrin.gif

 

The other side of the coin is that in a relationship where you both find each other sexually attractive because of the whole mind and body package, does specific genitalia matter as long as you are both capable of giving each other sexual pleasure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh my how do I respond to each of these observations.

 

lets see, I try to be respectful and objective.

 

There is nothing feminine about a sexually reassigned vagina either.

 

its impossible to make it look as a natural vagina, trust me I have friends who paid the price of a new Jaguar and it does NOT look as a vagina, when you spread your legs it looks scared and funny!

 

Guys who suck cock! not straight? that is arguable I don't consider a man who gives oral sex to a tswoman unstraight.... Let me ask you this so if he sucks.licks your asshole only is he more straight?

 

Excuse my explicit writing, I disagree about adding more labels, labels is what brought us here to so much confusions.

 

Think about it since in your opinion we need more labels, then we need more labels for all the subcategories of sexual expressions.

 

Imagine click your following gender orientations!

 

 

Passive ts w/hormones not passable or Passive ts w/hormones passable

Active ts w/non hormones not passable or Active ts w/non hormones not passable

 

Active man w/small penis or Active men w/large penis

Passive man/crossdresser w/large penis blah blah blah

 

there should be no gender label nor sexual preference label.

 

Can't we just go to a club and find a date and get laid and he sees you have a cock instead of a vagina and just have sex like there is nothing wrong with your body?

 

Most tgirls cant go dating in public places because most guys wont know she has a cock, therefore it will not go down well with him if she doesn't let him know before hand, this is because of labels, because church and society have made it a bad thing to be different and unconventional.

 

The nature of human sexuality is so full of shades and colour combinations, have you ever sat down and think how different your sexual preference since you had sex for the first time? As you get older it keeps shifting its a proven by science.

 

Submissive men date tgirls in public mostly? ERMMMM this is a really wrong assumption, I date mostly men who desire a girl who takes an active role in the bedroom, but believe me there is nothing submissive about them.

 

They are certainly not submissive, most of them are very opinionated, protective, leaders, successful, wealthy and extremely masculine.

 

Please dont force me to use names tongue.gif

 

In intimacy there are not submissive at all, they are receivers but not submissive!

 

This is the problem with labels, What is submissive? what is active?

 

We fall for looks, body language and sex appeal!! We do NOT fall in love with Sexual Organs!

 

No disrespect my Dear BijouTresor

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@ "tsgorgeous"Am pretty sure we all have opinions about this topic and labels.

I completely disagree with your logic because their is a difference between sucking a dick vs pleasuring a post-op. From my experience, i have seen very well done job post-op's maybe minimum scars but your right most don't look natural. I myself may get srs in the future (maybe by the time i retire from escorting). I can see by the way you express about these post-op's that you're almost against doing srs. Some girls will do it regardless of how funny and un-natural or scary it looks.


I do think adding one more label is convenient for those men into TS, that would actually make less of a confusion. We are labeled so should they. Here i hear you say that labels make more of a confusion and stereotypes but how do you label an ice cream that you found sooo delicious when it needs to be described ? Everything on this earth will have a label. Its up to you to decide wether you take it or leave it. Wether you wear it or not .... or are in denial.

Then again your talking from your personal experience on dating, I respect the fact your mostly a TOP. What i meant to say by "submissive" i was refering to bottoms, mainly most that date t- women in public are bottoms thanks for the correction thou. However that still doesn't take away the fact from my experience bottoms are and act like a submissive.

I don't date in my personal life at the moment so i rather just focus on what am doing now, so i don't know how these men act in public most of the time.

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@BijouTresor

 

I am not against anyone having SCS or SRS its a personal options and no matter how many surgeries to make it as feminine as possible its never gonna be close to the real thing, having it done its purely to convince oneself of full femininity.

 

I am no less of a female or because I have not had SCS nor because I will not have it.

 

Genitals, either born with, reassigned or corrected doesnt not define one's gender, even in the natural world we have so many variations of genitalia some men have vaginas some women have cocks/oversized clitoris.

 

I am myself a prefect example of natures diversity, I was assigned male on my birthdate, 12 yrs later they altered it to female because I am Female intersex.

 

I identify with transwomen, well why? Well because I had my own type of transition to womanhood.

 

 

I have no clue what third gender means so I cannot respond to that.

 

And "IF" genitalia defines gender ......... I've never seen a sexual organ/genitalia other than a penis or a vagina.

 

We are not items (ice cream) we dont need labels like a tin of tomatoes or tomatos!

 

You say you are not happy been called ts or tranny, but you wanna add a label to a man who prefers to date women like you and I? I think your should sit and reassess your opinion. I dont use labels, and I dont like labels.

 

I completely respect your desire to have sex correction or reassignment its your money and its your god given right to change anything of your body that you want that makes you feel complete or accomplished!

 

Like I said I have friends who are post/ops I have no issue with them or their decision to have SCS/SRS.

 

Most of them would never do it over if they had the chance too.

 

"However that still doesn't take away the fact that from my experience bottoms are and act like submissive slaves." This is so strange to be I've never date a man who acts like a slave or acts submissive........seems like you have just been very unlucky.

 

Lets get this out men date women like you and me for many reasons, we are very feminine, we take care of our personal appearance more than most women, we exploit our sex appeal, and because we have that extra gene or extra T we are more sexual, truth is most men who consider transgender/transexualwomen fetish or fantasy are the PAY FOR SEX type of men.

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@ "ts gorgeous"

You seem to miss the fact when i speak (i speak for myself). You have your own opinions about the subject and thats fine. You are you, don't try to covert into you darling, we aren't the same here. You aren't an escort so your perspective of the subject is completely different than mine. Escorts see things differently, we don't deal with sugar coded phrases or bs is either this or that. We see and deal with many men for a certain amount of time, we are better at reading men than you would. You live in a delusional cloud sweetie, that's what many women in general that don't escort live in. We escorts live and see the truth on daily basis.

Having is SRS is NOT to convince oneself of full femininity, why do you have such a narrow-mind view of that ? Just because of what you see in your friends doesn't mean all ts are like that. If i get srs, it would because that's the way i feel more comfortable, more freedom, more myself. I know deep down that's not a doorway to having some real vagina but a doorway to freedom,complete and comfort. You sound so doubtful and incomprehensible to girls that truly feel they were born on the wrong body and desire a vagina. What about those people born with tumors ? why shouldn't the tumor be remove if its not desirable? I don't think ppl with tumors want to remove a tumor to convince themselves that they would look normal like no deformity was there before. The scar/s might be visible but the comfort is the one that counts.

I never said that having a vagina or not having a vagina would make you more or less of female, nor did i said genitalia defines your gender identity. Stop putting words into my mouth, sweetie. I know how express myself pretty fairly and was educated enough to know all this stuff since a young age.Just because you identify as a trans-woman and a TOP doesn't mean we all share your opinion. Some only identify as woman only, none of this trans/tranny/shemale terms bs.

Quote of "tsgorgeous" : "This is so strange to be I've never date a man who acts like a slave or acts submissive........seems like you have just been very unlucky."
I'm talking based on a session experience (work/escorting related) not dating. I would never date a vers, bottom or submissive men that's for sure, i would be full of shame actually. As, i said we live in two different worlds of mind-set. In my personal life, my preference is completely different and it would be certain men that i'm attracted to in love, bed and looks.

Quote of "tsgorgeous" "truth is most men who consider transgender/transexualwomen fetish or fantasy are the PAY FOR SEX type of men."
Keep living your illusion and delusional world with your dating/relationships. May i ask you what's the longest serious relationship have you been with a man ? please be honest and elaborate. Some men that want a TS is for fetish purposes. However, not that am looking to date or be in a relationship just remember am not saying all men see us that way, am pretty certain there is some men out there that would date us seriously and probably be in a seriously relationship with us but there is not many, i wanna see more action than talk, talk is easy, action is the one that counts. IMO, my dear "tsgorgeous" biggrin.gif

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"BijouTresor" says

 

"Escorts we don't deal with sugar coded phrases or bs is either this or that. We see and deal with many men for a certain amount of time, we are better at reading men than you would. You live in a delusional cloud sweetie, that's what many women in general that don't escort live in. We escorts live and see the truth on daily basis"

 

The phrase is sugar coated phrases/words sunshine......

 

Girl please! I know a lot of sexwokers often end up in relationship with abusive or insensitive men or with men who prey on their lucrative pay per sex lifestyle.

 

 

BijouTreso says: I myself will get srs in the future (maybe by the time i retire from escorting). SRS will give you the freedom to retire from been a sex worker? Seriously? LOL that is a delusional statement (clarification I am NOT calling you delusional, the statement is.)

 

 

You seem to know a lot about me then.......I have never called you names in this forum, and I never will, You know why? We come from different worlds Like you said.

 

I Don't know where you get your information about me from to assume I allow men to walk over me, I choose the men I wanna date/fuck with, we have a fantastic time, we go our separate ways, sometimes we keep dating/fucking sometimes "we" decide it doesn't feel right. I dont need to think about my bills or my economy when making the decision to date/fuck a man, unlike you! I have a wonderful sense of freedoom.

 

I reject men in this site like I refuse drugs, BijouTresor. Trust me I don't have sex with men because I need or want money. I have sex with men because they desire me and I desire them.

 

Me delusional? let me define delusional for you: A FALSE belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness[/size][/color][/color][/b]

 

I am very sane person, so sane I am an entrepreneur, a hard worker and and extremely successful individual. I don't know a thing about you except that you are a sex workers so I cannot give or will not make opinions about you.

 

You are having SRS to gain freedom, to be complete and become comfortable? What a sad statement. Very sad. Most tgirls would be just happy with having their documents changed from M to F.

 

How can you compare a removing a Tumor to having sex reassignment surgery?(now that is delusional)

A Tumor can be life threatening, having extra inches between your legs isn't life threatening. This is why most Institutions/Countries do not offer SRS under a national health insurance scheme.

 

BijouTresor, You are an will always be a transwoman, whether you like it or not in the eyes of the law in the eyes of the medical world, your chromosomes are XY and you live as a woman, stop hating your identity, celebrate your uniqueness.

 

You are so off the track with wanting to label men who love tswomen as "X"lovers but you refuse to accept and be referred to as a transwoman, thats pretty delusional.

 

The fact remains that 95% percent of men who PAY FOR SEX to a tswoman are married men who are frustrated with their sexual routine at home or in their relationship. MEN who date ts women openly don't suffer from the pressure of not been able to date a tgirl in public because they are ok with their women having a few extra inches of pleasure.

 

My relationships have been long lasting and quite constructive, When I've walked out of a relationship I have often walked out been a better and more accomplished individual. Off course I've had fights or with bad feelings but eventually I am still friends with most of my exes because they have realized I am an incredible woman and they missed out on a once in a lifetime opportunity, most of them would give a limb to have me back in their lives as their leading lady!

 

If this makes me delusional, well the rest of the world seems to love my delusion!

 

 

PLEASE NOTE, whenever I've used the word Delusional it has never been used as and adjective to a person in this forum, only to refer to a statement as such.

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I do apologize for interfering, I just want to say that you both seem to be smart women, why do you have to argue over such a controversial topic like SRS or sexual preferences? Different people have different points of view, and that's a known fact. We should respect each other's opinions - we cannot say one person's point of view is wrong or right, all we can do is to agree or disagree with it and that's about it.

 

And I also believe that SRS is NOT designed to help a twoman "validate" her feminity. I know who I am, I trust my feminity and I want the SRS because I am disgusted of what I see between my legs every time I take a shower. The purpose of having an "artificial vagina" isn't to validate my feminity, but to help me feel complete. I wish you girls all the best! smile.gif

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"tsgorgeous" Ok, in some level i might agree many girls are not suitable for this professional business. They lack many things.

 

Quote of "tsgorgeous" : "SRS will give you the freedom to retire from been a sex worker? Seriously? LOL that is a delusional statement (clarification I am NOT calling you delusional, the statement is.)"

Obviously you're making things up and again like the second time putting things in my mouth that i never said. You're trying to read things and concluding my statement to your advantage, making me look like my statement is delusional and yours isn't that is very tacky of you. By what i meant was maybe i'll get srs when i retire from sex-work because i won't be making use of my cock but before doing srs i'll be stable with another career ("not that srs will give me the freedom to retire" thats a really stupid conclusion to make). with all the respect here.

 

 

How can you be sooo stubborn not to understand an example i just gave you of "tumors" seriously you're a very narrow-minded individual that would always be equivocal and contradictory to girls getting srs. All because you "miss.thing" love your cock and love to fuck men in the ass, nothing wrong with that. Are you that stubborn that you can't see the example of "tumors" ? the tumor example was meant to compare a similar situation to SRS not an exact situation.

 

Quote of "tsgorgeous" : "You are having SRS to gain freedom, to be complete and become comfortable? What a sad statement. Very sad. Most tgirls would be just happy with having their documents changed from M to F."

(This proves you're selfish/narrow-minded/unsupportive and unfathomable to your own trans-community) You should be a shame of yourself.

 

Quote of "tsgorgeous" : "BijouTresor, You are an will always be a transwoman, whether you like it or not in the eyes of the law in the eyes of the medical world, your chromosomes are XY and you live as a woman, stop hating your identity, celebrate your uniqueness."

Are you calling me a man? ... Just because you see yourself like that, i don't. My identity/soul/spirit is what you call a true woman maybe not my chromosomes, just because i identify as a woman and no other term doesn't mean am denying my truth/or what i came to be born into this earth or that i am a trans-woman. I don't identify as a trans like you but i identify as a woman, i am a new generation you are not. Am not hating on my identity nor is there anything to celebrate. Like i said you're unfathomable to your own trans-community. Shame on you.

 

Quote of "tsgorgeous" :"You are so off the track with wanting to label men who love tswomen as "X"lovers but you refuse to accept and be referred to as a transwoman, thats pretty delusional.

You do know notice there is a difference between "refuse to accept" and "dislike" right ? I dislike the term trans-woman, I accept the term "trans-woman" for educational purposes (the ones i refuse to accept is shemale, tranny, third gender, un-approciate derogatory terms) like men into TS should be label for educational purposes. Labels help describe situations, circumstances, or distinguish people. So there you go, labels will always exist wether you like it or not.

 

As far as my question i asked, "whats the longest relationship you been with a man"? you neglect to give me an exact answer to the question and neglect to elaborate. That says a lot of your successful relationships when you're speaking about them in general.

 

XO "Miss. ts gorgeous"

Apologies for calling you delusional but some of your statements are delusional ......

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What professional business? Seriously?

What College did you get your degree from?

Very few countries have sex workers union, and in the USA soliciting is against the law.

 

last time I checked there was no option in any world census, tick whats best describe your profession

 

A)Medical

B)Customer services

C)Production/Crafts

D)SEX WORKc

You accuse me of putting words in your mouth, you call it tacky....yet you do it.....I never called you a man., Clearly I called you TRANSWOMAN. Clearly you have terrible reading comprehension skills.

 

If a patient walks into a clinic and claims to have a tumor and would like it removed, very likely they will do within a few days or at latest weeks. Try going to your local hospital and say to you GP can I get a sex change? They will send you thru a battery of test and a psychiatric evaluations first before you are even allowed to sign up for the procedure. I have never heard a of a tumor need psychiatric evaluation to be extirpated.

 

A tumor and a sex change CANNOT be compared except a scalpel is used to remove one and to remodel other and that it is perform by a professional.

 

You don't to want to be address as a trans woman, but you want to label men who are interested in tgirls? Double Standards!

 

 

 

You speak of men who belittle tgirls who aren't as passable as you "feel" to be, yet you belittle men who give oral sex to preops? and you label them. not straight?

 

 

You fail to acknowledge all the other interesting facts I've provided with you with, and you resort to petty insults and name calling

 

 

I quote you

 

"You aren't an escort so your perspective of the subject is completely different than mine. Escorts see things differently, we don't deal with sugar coded phrases or bs is either this or that. We see and deal with many men for a certain amount of time, we are better at reading men than you would" This is the biggest pile of shit I've heard.

 

You think escorts are better at knowing men and that women like me aren't so knowledgeable of the matter of dating. WHAT A DELUSIONAL STATEMENT!! LMHO!!!!

 

You keep calling me names, insulting (narrow minded, stupid, etc etc) you sound like a common street tramp sunshine........

 

 

I will not discuss my past relationships in a public forum nor I will not try to convince you, whether my relationships have been very long lasting or stable, this post had nothing to do with you been a sex worker or my having or not having stable relationships. You started calling men who date preops and give them oral pleasure not straight I responded with respect and non verbal aggravation, you immediately started name calling and insulting.

 

 

Since you are not used to sugar coated words let me tell you this.

 

 

Shame on me for speaking my mind?

How about shame on your for been a common prostitute, Shame on you for been a victim of society. You live in one of the richest countries in the world, you don't have an excuse!

 

Leave that to the girls in struggling countries with less tolerance and they have no other option to make a living, I have couple of friends from Latin America who emigrated to the USA and they went to school got and educations and are no longer sex workers.

 

 

I conclude by saying this, Having SRS is a personal decision and I support-respect each girl who wants to have it,I have no respect for tgirls who want to think been a post op is better than been preop/interex.

 

I respect sex workers, I do not have respect for those individuals who belittle others for choosing not to be sex workers, or those who think they are superior for been sex workers

 

Prostitution is not a problem in society, Society begets prostitution.

 

 

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You don't seem to have a sense of humor. I think its obvious that escorting is not a "professional" career. Am breaking through your stubbornness, darling.

Quote of "tsgorgeous" : "You don't to want to be address as a trans woman, but you want to label men who are interested in tgirls? Double Standards!"
We are labeled so should they. Why not ? ... My opinion and you fail to respect. That proofs you're unfathomable individual. You failed to acknowledge this statement i said "I dislike the term trans-woman, I accept the term "trans-woman" for educational purposes (the ones i refuse to accept is shemale, tranny, third gender, un-approciate derogatory terms) like men into TS should be label for educational purposes." Its okay if am being referred as a trans-woman only for educational purposes. But not for personal purposes.

Quote of "tsgorgeous": "You speak of men who belittle tgirls who aren't as passable as you "feel" to be, yet you belittle men who give oral sex to preops? and you label them. not straight? "
Fighting for equal rights here, they belittle girls regardless if passable or not passable, am all for equality. why not belittle them ? why harbour them sooo much ?
Yes it makes him straight for being attracted to a female appearance but not completely straight is sucking a cock, thats why i insist on labeling for educational purposes, that way men know how to identify themselves more quickly. I don't think men into ts are gay either.

Quote of "tsgorgeous":"You fail to acknowledge all the other interesting facts I've provided with you with, and you resort to petty insults and name calling"
You have fail to acknowledge my facts also, so don't come up to me and tell me i failed when you failed just as the same if not worse to respect and acknowledge other interesting facts i told you and not willing to accept/respect that i have my opinions. The only person who started with petty things was you, and i didn't meant to call you rude names but those words were the most suitable and respectable ones i could of think of you. Again sounding tacky for making yourself look good, making me look am the one for being incomprehensible when its clearly you. I have mention "i agreed" and "respect" terms to some of your opinions and statements, you on the other hand, you failed (big time failed) to say even one word at least to me (i "respect" your opinion/s). I never called you stupid, i said the conclusion you made on my statement was stupid... i wanna see proof, show me where i called you stupid ? ... YOU failed .... huge fail

Quote of "tsgorgeous" :" You think escorts are better at knowing men and that women like me aren't so knowledgeable of the matter of dating. WHAT A DELUSIONAL STATEMENT!! LMHO!!!!"
This is where i ended up agreeing with you and again you missed and failed to acknowledge that. That's why i called you stubborn, you're so got up in winning this discussion that you missed and failed. I said " Ok, in some level i might agree many girls are not suitable for this professional business. They lack many things. " I shouldn't of generalize that all escorts have the intelligence that some actually do have . YOU FAILED "tsgorgeous" like the many times.

The "tumor" example, you'll never going to get it because you're a TOP only. Thats all am going to say to that. You don't get it, period.

You don't discuss your personal relationships? yet you neglect to answer a simple part of the question... Yeah, that says your relationships have been poorly successful, that answers my question without being elaborated. You're trying to give this image to your relationships that never existed by the most part, i guarantee you that.

Quote of "ts gorgeous": "I conclude by saying this, Having SRS is a personal decision and I support-respect each girl who wants to have it,I have no respect for tgirls who want to think been a post op is better than been preop/interex."
What a "contradictory" individual are you, last time i checked it was from another perspective. You're going back and forth and flustering on your opinion. I guess its pointless and a waste of time to argue with you. YOU FAILED again.

Quote of "tsgorgeous": "How about shame on your for been a common prostitute, Shame on you for been a victim of society. You live in one of the richest countries in the world, you don't have an excuse! Leave that to the girls in struggling countries with less tolerance and they have no other option to make a living, I have couple of friends from Latin America who emigrated to the USA and they went to school got and educations and are no longer sex workers."

Yes i escort, am young able to do it and making plans for the future while i escort(parents weren't supportive when i transition at a young age). Whats wrong with escorting and planning your future on the side, am young and 21 yrs old? Tell me this if i was 28 maybe then i'll be ashamed. You're an insensitive trans-woman for not caring the causes why girls lead to this yet soo naive not to know why girls do it in the US and making it sound like escorting is an awful thing to do, when its not an awful thing to do at all. Escorting is only bad if you have bad friends, bad environment, lack of intuition and intelligence. Other than that escorting is just like any other job. Have you ever done escorting?
I can say to you that being a TOP trans-woman is misrepresentation for being a transexual. Why not be a gay boy if you're only going to top men's asses ? and that you should be a shame of yourself for being a falsification to the trans-community. Yet, i don't say that to you ... you know why ? because I can tell i have more tolerance and respect than you. Even thou you're a TOP, i disagree with you being a TOP and trans, don't understand why your preference is TOP, but I respect you and tolerate you because of it...

You were a FAILURE in this thread, you have lost this discussion ...... I gave you proof of all your non-sense, which have i been very tolerant and respectfully responsive to your opinions and views.

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Hello. I know this thread may be at rest now, how ever I would like for both of your honest opinons.

 

I am a male aged 20, who is CURIOUS about engaging in a relationship with a trans-woman(pardon the term I just don't know any others that may be more palatable). Yes I feel it should be sexual in the beginning because I am unacustomed to engaging in such activity with said paramour, however IF I enjoyed it I may seek a more romantic relationship.

 

1. Am I wrong for seeking to do as such? If so how do I go about fixing said problem?

2. If I engaged In such amorous activity and enjoyed it would I and should I be labled as anything other than bi-sexual with a preference of trans-gendered woman?

3. In your experiences have you found it off putting or unsettling for your male companion to wish to engage in mutal anal and oral sex?

4. Is it wrong to assume if a romantic relationship does not have a fullfilling and satisfying sexual relation ship, then said romantic relation ship will fail?

5. Have you or a transgender friend ever helped a male parmour overcome any reluctance to been seen in public with you? If so how? Because though I am not hateful or disgusted by transgender people now, whilst in highschool I was not hateful but uncomfortable in a sense. I suspect I may not be strong enough to endure any social stigma that would be associated with being seen on a date with a non convincing transgender woman.

 

I mean no disrespect to anyone I just wanted both of your opinions because you are both experienced in nearly polar opposite personal, professional and romantic experiences. Also I should note why I wont see an escort to sate my curiousty. I have little to no money.

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I discovered ts women when I met a girl in a bar... I consider myself straight... She turned out to be not only hung but active... Even when I first kissed her I didn't notice so she was very passable... Since then I've always thought it a shame that with blurred sexual identities people insist on having sex as a straight person... It's only fair that each person can use whatever sexual organs they have so both people get the most satisfaction... It's also very sexy to be in public with a passable ts... Sexier still if there are a few clues to the outside world...

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Hello. I know this thread may be at rest now, how ever I would like for both of your honest opinons.

 

I am a male aged 20, who is CURIOUS about engaging in a relationship with a trans-woman(pardon the term I just don't know any others that may be more palatable). Yes I feel it should be sexual in the beginning because I am unacustomed to engaging in such activity with said paramour, however IF I enjoyed it I may seek a more romantic relationship.

 

1. Am I wrong for seeking to do as such? If so how do I go about fixing said problem?

2. If I engaged In such amorous activity and enjoyed it would I and should I be labled as anything other than bi-sexual with a preference of trans-gendered woman?

3. In your experiences have you found it off putting or unsettling for your male companion to wish to engage in mutal anal and oral sex?

4. Is it wrong to assume if a romantic relationship does not have a fullfilling and satisfying sexual relation ship, then said romantic relation ship will fail?

5. Have you or a transgender friend ever helped a male parmour overcome any reluctance to been seen in public with you? If so how? Because though I am not hateful or disgusted by transgender people now, whilst in highschool I was not hateful but uncomfortable in a sense. I suspect I may not be strong enough to endure any social stigma that would be associated with being seen on a date with a non convincing transgender woman.

 

I mean no disrespect to anyone I just wanted both of your opinions because you are both experienced in nearly polar opposite personal, professional and romantic experiences. Also I should note why I wont see an escort to sate my curiousty. I have little to no money.

 

ur 20 yrs old. u said?...but never sounds your 20...just fuck around and have fun...hey!! but be sure to do it with protection ( both ways) and come back later and you share to us...ok?..oh. one mote thing. dont use or start to use that "poppers"...ciao.

 

 

massive wink.

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Err what's a popper?

 

I'm a little behind on the whole labelling and abbreviating thing, a lot of the above posts are hard to follow with some of the terms used.

 

Whether a Transexual has been taken hormones from a young age or just has some feminine features shouldn't make a difference to them being called a woman. Unless they openly wish to be known as Transexual.

I'm not one who cares about social standards and i've dated a few women (non-TS) in my time who exhibited masculine features. Indian ladies genetically have strong brows and noses which does raise questions and i had a relationship with a Spanish woman who got facial hair!

I couldn't care less what people think of who i'm with or why i'm with them. I'm just proud to be with them.

I suspect "Professional" men have more issues, because having bigger pockets means coming under more social scrutiny. So people WILL analyse their partner more deeply.

If the woman's fine with that then great, but if she really doesn't want to be singled-out for being not-completely-woman then rich men with social standings are really not the best subjects to be liasing with! biggrin.gif

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It was very interesting reading the Tsgorgeous's opinion vs. BijouTresor's opinion.

 

A sex worker and a non-sex worker meet 2 very different kind of men , BijouTresor meets guys for business - sex only , nothing else , BijouTresor admits that she doesn't have the time for serious relations , can't blame her because she only meets a certain kind of men ( her choice !!! ) ,her mistake is to think that these men represent ALL men , well , they are not ALL men !!!!

 

Tsgorgeous is meeting different kind of men , those who are more opened to serious relations mainly becuase their meeting are not business meetings.

that's why Tsgorgeous's opinion is so differnt from her perspective.

 

 

 

 

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