Ts Dating? Or Ts Escorting?

[JohnBaum]

Let's get real, Sherazaad!

 

Worshipping Princess Sherazaad is probably all we need?

[Guest]

Let's get real, Sherazaad! 

 

Worshipping Princess Sherazaad is probably all we need? 

Ummmmmm............*BLUSH*?

[Guest]

Congrats love birds!

[TS Asia]

The title name of this website is about ''dating'' yet an overwhelming percentage of accounts seem to be ''Escorts''....

 

Wouldnt this website be a lot more fufilling experience if ''Escorts'' and those looking for a date (or whatever else!) where seperate???

 

I dont pay to get laid unfortunately...

Sam...this world has to go round and round and in order to make it happen we all need money cos we say....money makes the world go round. Escorting is a job...and its the one of the oldest professions cos from the time BC it exist already. why the society condemn about it? because its a tax free. ( hehehhe) ting! no tax man around?....ok, now its all up to your choice if what you want, but we all need to work to earn a living. xx

[SiamSam2]

Thank you Sherazaad for your reply.. it was full of insight (and pent up anger)

Thank you all.

 

However, I feel my first point still remains, why not seperate between ''escorts'' and ''casual''...If your problem is with division, well, we're doin that already by being on a TS website. ARENT'WE???

 

Furthermore, the fact that TS'are stigmatised in society does not make it alright for them to take it out on men who actually appreciates them!!

 

I have spoken (both in real life and online) with very friendly TS escorts and many are great girls.. Shera and me have enjoyed speaking and i appreciate that VERY much...

 

If I have to pay for someone to even care to say hello to me then I'm done with speaking!! lol seriosuly though.. ONE OF THE REASONS I TURNED TO TS'S IS BECAUSE THEY WERENT AS MONEY GRABBING AS WOMEN!!

 

BTW > This is all sincere, I hope to cause no one any offence.. just honesty and truth.. and whatever else follows in the footsteps of honesty and truth...

 

peace

 

 

[SiamSam2]

PS: I have no problem with escorts at all!..

 

I love sweets.. and I love pizza : doesnt mean I want sweets on my pizza

>> that is called a ''faulse syllogism'' in deductive logic..

 

I love you all..

 

(some more than others)

 

peace

[ADMIN]

the title of website is TS Dating

but there is 2 different sections - Escort and another one is Dating

 

so I don't see where is the problem...

 

if you mean I should make 2 different sites.... then I dont see the reason.

 

There are already "pure TS dating" sites, But if you look around there, then at least 50% of girls are actually escorts there anyways.

 

 

 

[SiamSam2]

Cheers for the clarification Admin.. I apreciate it more and more when someone answers without getting flustered! lol

 

Since your right that ends the debate...

 

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY for the second time, I dont have anything against escorts.. Ive supported many in real life and online...

 

have a good evening to you all!

[Guest]

I agree with Shera!

 

@SiamSam2: the word dating is just a matter of interpretation. Isn't dating all about having company, paid or not paid? Actually, as a man you are always supposed to pay for the (first) date. I don't see a reason changing the name of this website.

If one of the head-less (semi-faceless) might add twopence...

 

I strongly agree with hotguynl about the semantics of the word "dating"! This is just the way we are, as people. Relationships are always "transactional" in the final analysis, as Richard Dawkins pointed out in The Selfish Gene almost 40 years ago. So I - a little sadly - believe, anyway.

 

The other key point in the debate is Sherazaad's:

"It should not be allowed to get in the way of living one's life AUTHENTICALLY."

 

For all the compromises we might make in our lives, the two most damaging ones are not to BE OURSELVES or to surrender to FEAR.

 

We all do employ these defensive reactions on occasion but can do a lot better the more we can avoid them.

 

And, as a facetious postscript, Sherazaad might not be either proud or ashamed of the work she does - with utter professionalism, I might add - so she can be glad she is not an international banker right now! They are neither proud nor ashamed and if I were a member on a "bankers admirers" site I would make VERY SURE that my identity was COMPLETELY hidden!

Too bad John I read this only now (a month later) but your opinion on bankers I totally agree with.

All genders are basically human isn't it? And I think the most competitive and aggressive people are not lady's of Ts lady's ;-) I think they wear suit and tie and pretend not to be harmful to society

[JolieSini]

I wish that tses would only use "escorting" as  a platform to move onto something great and become someone they can feel proud of, but somehow it seems to me that most get stuck in it.

 

 

I have often criticize escorts for one reason or the other, many of them are so passable that I cant understand why they cant get a normal job.

 

 

I read this comment a while ago but didn't then have exact words to describe my thoughts. But yesterday the words found their way to me.

 

What happened is that I was having a breakfast outdoors. It is quite an unsusual time of the year to sit in a park as the summer is gone and what is left is somewhat gloomy autumn. But still yesterday the weather was decent, not raining.

 

Sipping tea in a park I realized how happy I am. I was watching people rushing to work or school but me, I was sipping tea and having a packed sandwich in quiet. This is true luxury, I though.

 

When I say luxury I mean that I have something that other people in my well-off country don't have. I have time. Nowadays everyone has money (including me) but what people don't have is time. When I hear media talking about downshifting, I smile quietly and knod. I know what is downshifting.

 

To me choosing a career as an escort has been a platform to better life ( I started my career in my late 20's. I have an University degree, I could have chosen another path.). The basement of my balance is lust. I could not do this work without enjoying sex with casual partners. As I enjoy it and as my clients enjoy my company I see zero reason to feel guilty of what I am doing. I do good and I am happy about it.

 

So, I don't see any reason to move forward, for the time being. Having a normal job sounds too boring and too restricting to me. Normal doesn't suit me at all!

[Guest]

 

I read this comment a while ago but didn't then have exact words to describe my thoughts. But yesterday the words found their way to me.

 

What happened is that I was having a breakfast outdoors. It is quite an unsusual time of the year to sit in a park as the summer is gone and what is left is somewhat gloomy autumn. But still yesterday the weather was decent, not raining.

 

Sipping tea in a park I realized how happy I am. I was watching people rushing to work or school but me, I was sipping tea and having a packed sandwich in quiet. This is true luxury, I though.

 

When I say luxury I mean that I have something that other people in my well-off country don't have. I have time. Nowadays everyone has money (including me) but what people don't have is time. When I hear media talking about downshifting, I smile quietly and knod. I know what is downshifting.

 

To me choosing a career as an escort has been a platform to better life ( I started my career in my late 20's. I have an University degree, I could have chosen another path.). The basement of my balance is lust. I could not do this work without enjoying sex with casual partners. As I enjoy it and as my clients enjoy my company I see zero reason to feel guilty of what I am doing. I do good and I am happy about it.

 

So, I don't see any reason to move forward, for the time being. Having a normal job sounds too boring and too restricting to me. Normal doesn't suit me at all!

I read this post while in Kastrup airport waiting for my flight connection back home from the Milan Fashion Week, and couldn't respond right away.

 

I completely understand your feeling of luxury Jolie.

 

I happen to have felt the same sensation while reading your post, there outside beautiful Danish Autumn, sitting in the Cafe lounge, admiring the new addition to my Louis Vuitton Collection, with a glass of Moët & Chandon.

 

The people around me all seem so desperate to get to their destinations, I smiled to a couple of them and most didn't smile back probably because of their own busy schedule that they have forgotten how great it is to smile and relax, or maybe they just envied my relaxed mode, who knows.

 

I started working at a very early age as a hairdresser assistant in London's New Oxfords street, now it one of the leading hairdressers chain in the world. Mr. Mascolo thought me a great deal of discipline and shared incredible skills that I later used to build myself a niche in this competitive industry.

 

Later when I moved to Milan to obtain a degree in Fashion Merchandising, at one of the most prestigious Fashion Academies in Milan, the one from which Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabanna also graduated. I will not give them free publicity.

 

I worked as a Part time hairdresser in a upscale salon in the fashion district, this enabled me to pay my students loans and to live a very luxurious lifestyle.

 

Now almost 30 years old, I am a University graduate and a Licensed hairdresser in the UK, I have rebuilt my life after it crashed at a early age, when losing my father, an alcoholic/compulsive gambler who almost lost our home to a money lender, I help my mother pay back the debt and at the same time put myself through college.

 

I co-own a 85sqmts with my ex which is now for sale, I drive a 30,000 Euro car, I live a life most women can only wish they could.

 

I am currently subcontracted by many of the top boutiques in chic Pohjoisesplanadi, Helsinki area as a Fashion Consultant, I also own a small fashion outlet where I also retail online.

 

I have never had to offer sexual services nor sleep with men that I did not fancy.

 

When I am at work I wear a name tag, with utmost pride saying Fashion Consultant.

 

Now I ask you Jolie, can you wear a tag in public saying, Escort-sex worker with pride ?

 

 

 

I realized also the post is edited removing your remarks where you say you smirk and smile at the economic reports on the media where you seem too feel above it all.

 

I found it obscene to a degree, so I decided to get dirty-filthy too

 

And if anyone need testament to these facts please feel free to ask for verification from some of the wonderful Gentlemen I have met thru this page. I can provide you with their names

[JohnBaum]

It's never a good idea to get in the middle of a debate but I guess today is just one of those days for me!

 

Regarding the discussion between Jolie and Gorgeous, I can see reason and truth on BOTH sides.

 

Jolie is rightly proud - and candidly so - about her work, the rewards it brings and her reason for choosing it as a career.

 

Equally, Gorgeous is proud of her achievements without ever having worked in the sex industry.

 

My take is that this is an ongoing debate in the TG community - where a VERY large number of people have worked in the sex industry at some stage - and will continue to be so as long as we live in a society where TG are marginalised.

 

In a saner world that we have not yet established, I would hope that these discussions would no longer be necessary.

 

My vote is that sex workers should be respected and appreciated just as much as mainstream workers - including the suffering "99%" who work all day pretty much every day just to pay their bills and make no progress in their lives.

 

I am one such!

 

So, yes, I could take a negative view of Jolie's apparently somewhat "superior" attitude, except that I see she is making a valid point about her own choices. Gorgeous is also making a valid point about her choices.

 

A great line from the movie Solaris is that "there are no answers, only choices" (the US version, not the old USSR version).

 

Another great line from Tolkien is "go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes"!

 

So I cannot help but see it from both sides!

 

 

[Guest]

JohnBaum, I really admire your wisdom and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

let me say I do NOT have anything against escorts........Its just not ok to paint it as a very colourful place and something to be proud of........

 

Sex work is not ok, it has never been and will never be ok......

 

99% of TSes who are sex workers are not sex workers by choice, rather by need.

 

Good luck to la Jolie in her 50 as a sexworker.

 

Peace

[JohnBaum]

Point taken!

 

One should never argue a universal from a limited number of cases but, within my own experience of upmarket sex workers, I can number one who is HIV+ (from work), several who have substance abuse problems and one who is already dead from that.

 

So much for it being a "victimless crime"! Possibly?

 

Then there are the horrific stories of desperate, under-privileged girls - ESPECIALLY TG - who are conned into it with false promises, then used, abused and damaged by it.

 

Still, I would note that it is not the fault of the workers or the work itself - it is the context of an uncaring society, greedy "owners" and selfish clients that largely causes these situations.

 

It is a high-risk line of work.

 

IMHO, all the more reason to treat such workers with respect, compassion and empathy.

 

I would say that, if we lose that, we have lost our humanity.

[SARITACLUB]

Why stop there?! Why not let's divide it into fat people and thin people, tall people and short people, old people and young people, black people and white people, gay people and straight people...(I'm sure all PEOPLE get my point?)

 

Please, enough of the "anti-escort" sentiment - the vast majority of Transgendered People are sex-workers.

 

NEWSFLASH!!! "ESCORTS" are PEOPLE too! YIP. I cant speak for all "escorts", but we too enjoy the occasional LTR (Long Term Realtionship) and Friendships (without financial remuneration) and most of the things that "normal", "decent" folks enjoy

 

Furthermore, "escorting" was not my first choice of profession (or, I'm sure, that of any other TG) YIP. What a shocker! I did not sit at my school desk, wishing........"how I'd love to suck cock for a living" NOPE.

 

In a perfect world, Transgendered People would be totally acceptable (as such) would have equal rights, limitless opportunities and would not have to be burdened by the toxic guilt that "straight" cocksuckers transfer onto them.

 

Sadly, it is not a perfect world, but we Transgendered People have to live in it and, if we cannot procure a "decent" job (due to prejudice) our need to survive, in most cases, leads us down the Escorting Avenue, further motivated by the fact that most (not all) "admirers" wanna HAVE THEIR CAKE (family/children/"normal, acceptable", supposedly decent life) AND EAT IT (have a bit of cock - on the side). So, if "straight" "admirers" want to have secret sex - nothing more - why not make sure we are compensated for being made to feel like nothing more than a "release" for their "dark desires". LOGICAL

 

@ SIAMSAM2.........FYI(For Your Information).............If you are not colour blind, DATING profiles = BLUE..."ESCORT"profiles = PINK. Avoid the PINK profiles - problem solved

Hi Sherazad , Thank You For Telling The Tru

I Love This Verry Much

If It Was Me , I Will DoThe Same

Some Of This People Thei Think Because Whe Are Escort Girl Of Hooker

Whe Can Not Sucseed In Life

 

Well For You SIAMSAM2 , SOME TIMES IN LIFE YOU NEED TO PAY FOR SOMETHING IF YOU WANA GETH IT

AND BELEAVE ME , WHO SAY THAT YOU NEVER PAY FOR SEX

PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRIT IN LIFE

 

AND IAM VERRY HAPPY THAT I BECOME AND ESCORT TS

BECAUSE OF THAT IAM WHO I AM NOW ,

I STARTED WITH NOTHING

NOW I ENJOY MY LIFE AS A RICH AND FAMOUS DUTCH CELEBERTY

IAM PROUD FOR WHO I WAS BEFORE AND NOW ARE

 

SO PLZ LOOK FIRST TO YOUR LIFE , BEFORE YOU JUDGE PEOPLE

MAYBE YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR AN ESCORT - HOOKER

AT HOME YOU HAVE IT FOR FREE

[Gemini]

Why stop there?! Why not let's divide it into fat people and thin people, tall people and short people, old people and young people, black people and white people, gay people and straight people...(I'm sure all PEOPLE get my point?)

 

Please, enough of the "anti-escort" sentiment - the vast majority of Transgendered People are sex-workers.

 

NEWSFLASH!!! "ESCORTS" are PEOPLE too! YIP. I cant speak for all "escorts", but we too enjoy the occasional LTR (Long Term Realtionship) and Friendships (without financial remuneration) and most of the things that "normal", "decent" folks enjoy

 

Furthermore, "escorting" was not my first choice of profession (or, I'm sure, that of any other TG) YIP. What a shocker! I did not sit at my school desk, wishing........"how I'd love to suck cock for a living" NOPE.

 

In a perfect world, Transgendered People would be totally acceptable (as such) would have equal rights, limitless opportunities and would not have to be burdened by the toxic guilt that "straight" cocksuckers transfer onto them.

 

Sadly, it is not a perfect world, but we Transgendered People have to live in it and, if we cannot procure a "decent" job (due to prejudice) our need to survive, in most cases, leads us down the Escorting Avenue, further motivated by the fact that most (not all) "admirers" wanna HAVE THEIR CAKE (family/children/"normal, acceptable", supposedly decent life) AND EAT IT (have a bit of cock - on the side). So, if "straight" "admirers" want to have secret sex - nothing more - why not make sure we are compensated for being made to feel like nothing more than a "release" for their "dark desires". LOGICAL

 

@ SIAMSAM2.........FYI(For Your Information).............If you are not colour blind, DATING profiles = BLUE..."ESCORT"profiles = PINK. Avoid the PINK profiles - problem solved

Hi Sherazad , Thank You For Telling The Tru

I Love This Verry Much

If It Was Me , I Will DoThe Same

Some Of This People Thei Think Because Whe Are Escort Girl Of Hooker

Whe Can Not Sucseed In Life

 

Well For You SIAMSAM2 , SOME TIMES IN LIFE YOU NEED TO PAY FOR SOMETHING IF YOU WANA GETH IT

AND BELEAVE ME , WHO SAY THAT YOU NEVER PAY FOR SEX

PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRIT IN LIFE

 

AND IAM VERRY HAPPY THAT I BECOME AND ESCORT TS

BECAUSE OF THAT IAM WHO I AM NOW ,

I STARTED WITH NOTHING

NOW I ENJOY MY LIFE AS A RICH AND FAMOUS DUTCH CELEBERTY

IAM PROUD FOR WHO I WAS BEFORE AND NOW ARE

 

SO PLZ LOOK FIRST TO YOUR LIFE , BEFORE YOU JUDGE PEOPLE

MAYBE YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR AN ESCORT - HOOKER

AT HOME YOU HAVE IT FOR FREE

Hey Fully Agreed by both Sherazaad and Saritaclub, nicely put girls.

 

 

 

 

[prozaq]

sometimes an escort would like to date someone , nothing wrong with it , we are humans

 

 

[Kilgorin]

For Missy Gorgeous it is about her taking control of her life and her hard work thru years that has given her the life she now enjoys. Hard work and dedication combined with looks, every mans dream girl...

 

And to be honest it is probably a life that most people would like and envy her. But most people have no drive or the skills to make it.

 

Also beeing an escort is probably not the easy job that alot of people think. Doing better then surviving takes effort and building a good reputation. Just saying this is my only option in life, and then think that you will make alot if money while beeing rude and giving bad service won't work in the long run. Just like most other jobs.

 

But hey i'm just a normal guy with a normal job. But my work experience has gotten me a better and higher paying job then most of the people in the same field. It is about working hard and getting better at what you do that counts.

 

Sorry about the late and long reply in a thread that was about a guy that could not see that at the top of the main page he could click on "escorts" or "dating" ads....